What Did James White Said

Who was right? The Early SDA Church or the Current (modern) SDA Church?

 

The well-known Adventist Trinitarian Jerry Moon who was a co-author of the book “The Trinity” wrote: “That most of the leading SDA pioneers were non-Trinitarian in their theology has become accepted Adventist history……either the pioneers were wrong and the present church is right, or the pioneers were right and the present Seventh-day Adventist Church has apostatized from biblical truth.” — Jerry Moon, The Trinity, Chapter, Trinity and anti-trinitarianism in Seventh-day Adventist history, p. 190

Sadly, the latter is true. The present Seventh-day Adventist Church has apostatized from biblical truth.  That is not this ministries’ language, but the term used by writer Jerry Moon.

Ellen White wrote the following at least 11 years after it was claimed she had supposedly become a Trinitarian. I repeat, supposedly.  In other words, that is not the reality.

“And now, after half a century of clear light from the Word as to what is truth, there are arising many false theories, to unsettle minds. But the evidence given in our early experience has the same force that it had then. The truth is the same as it ever has been, and not a pin or a pillar can be moved from the structure of truth. That which was sought for out of the Word in 1844, 1845, and 1846 remains the truth today in every particular.”  – Ellen White, Letter 38, 1906

It was in this three year period that the pillars of faith were established; 1844, 1845 and 1846.

“The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded.  Our religion would be changed.  The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years (1853-1903) would be accounted as error.” – Ellen White, Selected Messages book 1, p. 204; Letter 242, October 1903

Here, about 8 years after the church scholars say she supposedly became a Trinitarian, she states many things would be happening.  Our truth would be discarded.  Our religion would flat out be changed.  The sustained work that hung on the fundamental principles (not beliefs) from the past 50 years would called error.  That has happened today where they say the Pioneers were wrong.

So this is a declaration from her, that the non-Trinitarian view that they held in this period is still the truth in every possible way.

Here is a comparison of what the Pioneers believed on the lower left side, and what the church teaches today on the lower right side.  You will notice there is a drastic difference in the identity of God and the personality of God and Christ.  Sister White along with the Pioneers believed that there are two beings and that the Holy Spirit already belongs to them.  Important to note is, it is not believed to be “someone else” or “another”.  It is their power and presence.  Lucifer was next in power or rank in heaven before his fall.  And after he was cast out, the angel Gabriel now had that rank.  This is according to the Spirit of Prophecy.  From John 14, Jesus is our Comforter.  He is the Spirit of truth. His Spirit is also known as the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit.  It originates from God the Father and then is sent to him, and together they abide and dwell with us.

Today’s doctrine removes the literal relationship of God and Christ as a Father and Son.  It is written by Adventist scholars that their relationship is just a metophor.  It is not a literal relationship.  With that thought, it removes the sacrifice of a Father giving up his Son, and a Son making his sacrifice on behalf of the Father.  It reality, it means that they are only brothers then, twin brothers in fact.  Why is that?  Because today’s doctrine teaches that they are not only co-equal, but co-eternal.  They existed from the exact same time in eternity.  And then they add a co-equal, co-eternal third being into the picture as well.  The Pioneers along with Sister White believed and taught that in some time in eternity, Christ had a beginning.  He was brought forth and came out from God.

Here is another example between what we believed as a church and what has become of our church now today.
“Most of the founders of Seventh-Day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denominations Fundamental Beliefs.  More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the Trinity.” – George Knight, Ministry Magazine, October 1993

 

Now, lets return to the words and warnings given by Sister White.  Just five months before she would die:
“I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place.  I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death” – Ellen White, Manuscript 1, Feb. 24, 1915

 

We see this over and over.  In the 1950’s there was the Evangelical Conferences.  This would take a few pages to cover.  But the bottom line is we cozied up to the Evangelicals because they were going to publish a book and include us in it.  What was it called?  “Kingdom of the Cults”.  This was truly a move to become more like the world and allow them to dictate to us what we should believe.  We plan on adding material to cover this as time allows.  All thru the changes of our beliefs and doctrine, you will witness the change in describing the personality of God and Christ.  “Those who try in bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ are working as blind men.” – Ellen White, Manuscript Releases 760, p. 9, 10

 

“The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded.  Our religion would be changed.  The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error.” – Ellen White, Selected Messages 1, p. 204, 1903
“It is a grave mistake on the part of those who are children of God to seek to bridge the gulf that separates the children of light from the children of darkness by yielding principle, by compromising the truth.”
– Ellen White, Review & Herald, July 24, 1894

“The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God.”

– Ellen White, Letter 12, 1890

 

“We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history.”  – Ellen White, Letter 32, December 19, 1892, par. 38

 

 

Add Your Heading Text Here

 

What Did Seventh-Day Adventist co-founder James White Have to Say?

 

“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for THE faith which was once delivered unto the saints…” (Jude 3, 4) …The exhortation to contend for the faith delivered to the saints, is to us alone. And it is very important for us to know what for and how to contend. In the 4th verse he gives us the reason why we should contend for THE faith, a particular faith; “for there are certain men,” or a certain class who deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.… The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God.” – The Day Star, January 24, 1846

God called us out of Babylon. If we had stayed there, bound down by ministers and creeds, the glorious light of the Holy Sabbath never would have reached us, but glory to God, the second angel’s message called us out from the fallen churches where we are now free to think, and act for ourselves in the fear of God.”– The Third Angels Message, p. 11.3, 1850

“We are told by those who teach the abolition of the Father’s law, that the commandments of God mentioned in the New Testament, are not the ten, but the requirements of the gospel, such as repentance, faith, baptism and the Lord’s supper. But as these, and every other requirement peculiar to the gospel, are all embraced in the faith of Jesus, it is evident that the commandments of God are not the sayings of Christ and his apostles. To assert that the sayings of the Son and his apostles are the commandments of the Father, is as wide from the truth as the old trinitarian absurdity that Jesus Christ is the very and Eternal God. And as the faith of Jesus embraces every requirement peculiar to the gospel, it necessarily follows that the commandments of God, mentioned by the third angel, embrace only the ten precepts of the Father’s immutable law which are not peculiar to any one dispensation, but common to all.”  – Advent Review & Sabbath Herald, August 5, 1852, vol. 3, no. 7, page 52, par. 42

“Bro. Cottrell is nearly eighty years of age, remembers the dark day of 1780, and has been a Sabbath-keeper more than thirty years. He was formerly united with the Seventh-Day Baptists, but on some points of doctrine has differed from that body. He rejected the doctrine of the trinity, also the doctrine of man’s consciousness between death and the resurrection, and the punishment of the wicked in eternal consciousness. He believed that the wicked would be destroyed. Bro. Cottrell buried his wife not long since, who, it is said, was one of the excellent of the earth. Not long since, this aged pilgrim received a letter from friends in Wisconsin, purporting to be from M. Cottrell, his wife, who sleeps in Jesus. But he, believing that the dead know not anything, was prepared to reject at once the heresy that the spirits of the dead, knowing everything, come back and converse with the living. Thus truth is a staff in his old age. He has three sons in Mill Grove, who, with their families are Sabbath-keepers.”  – Advent Review & Sabbath Herald, June 9, 1853,  vol. 4, no. 2, page 12, par. 16

“As fundamental errors, we might class with this counterfeit sabbath other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic church, such as sprinkling for baptism, the trinity, the consciousness of the dead and eternal life in misery. The mass who have held these fundamental errors, have doubtless done it ignorantly; but can it be supposed that the church of Christ will carry along with her these errors till the judgment scenes burst upon the world? We think not. “Here are they [in the period of a message given just before the Son of man takes his place upon the white cloud, Rev. 14:14] that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” This class, who live just prior to the second advent, will not be keeping the traditions of men, neither will they be holding fundamental errors relative to the plan of salvation through Jesus Christ. And as the true light shines out upon these subjects, and is rejected by the mass, then condemnation will come upon them.” – Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, September 12, 1854, vol. 6, no. 5, pg. 36, p. 8

“Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ, and of sprinkling or pouring instead of being “buried with Christ in baptism,” “planted in the likeness of his death:” but we pass from these fables to notice one that is held sacred by nearly all professed Christians, both Catholic and Protestant. It is, the change of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment from the seventh to the first day of the week.” – Advent Review & Sabbath Herald, December 11, 1855, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16

“The “mystery of iniquity” began to work in the church in Paul’s day. It finally crowded out the simplicity of the gospel, and corrupted the doctrine of Christ, and the church went into the wilderness. Martin Luther, and other reformers, arose in the strength of God, and with the Word and Spirit, made mighty strides in the Reformation. The greatest fault we can find in the Reformation is, the Reformers stopped reforming.  Had they gone on, and onward, till they had left the last vestige of Papacy behind, such as natural immortality, sprinkling, the trinity, and Sunday-keeping, the church would now be free from her unscriptural errors.” – James White, Advent Review & Sabbath Herald, February 7, 1856

“Now I take the ground that creeds stand in direct opposition to the gifts. Let us suppose a case: We get up a creed, stating just what we shall believe on this point and the other, and just what we shall do in reference to this thing and that, and say that we will believe the gifts too. But suppose the Lord, through the gifts, should give us some new light that did not harmonize with our creed; then, if we remain true to the gifts, it knocks our creed all over at once. Making a creed is setting the stakes, and barring up the way to all future advancement. God put the gifts into the church for a good and great object; but men who have got up their churches, have shut up the way or have marked out a course for the Almighty. They say virtually that the Lord must not do anything further than what has been marked out in the creed. A creed and the gifts thus stand in direct opposition to each other. Now what is our position as a people? The Bible is our creed. We reject everything in the form of a human creed. We take the Bible and the gifts of the Spirit; embracing the faith that thus the Lord will teach us from time to time. And in this we take a position against the formation of a creed. We are not taking one step, in what we are doing, toward becoming Babylon.” – James White, Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, October 8, 1861

“Jesus prayed that his disciples might be one as he was one with his Father. This prayer did not contemplate one disciple with twelve heads, but twelve disciples, made one in object and effort in the cause of their master. Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God.” They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption. The redeemed, from the first who shares in the great redemption, to the last, all ascribe the honor, and glory, and praise, of their salvation, to both God and the Lamb.” – Life Incidents, page 343, 1868

“We have not as much sympathy with Unitarians that deny the divinity of Christ, as with Trinitarians who hold that the Son is the eternal Father, and talk so mistily about the three-one God. Give the Master all that divinity with which the Holy Scriptures clothe him.” – Advent Review and Sabbath Herald June 6, 1871 James and Ellen White’s – Western Tour

“We invite all to compare the testimonies of the Holy Spirit through Mrs. W., with the word of God. And in this we do not invite you to compare them with your creed. That is quite another thing. The trinitarian may compare them with his creed, and because they do not agree with it, condemn them. The observer of Sunday, or the man who holds eternal torment an important truth, and the minister that sprinkles infants, may each condemn the testimonies’ of Mrs. W. because they do not agree with their peculiar views. And a hundred more, each holding different views, may come to the same conclusion. But their genuineness can never be tested in this way.” – Review & Herald, June 13, 1871

“The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three, is bad enough; but that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferior to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, “Let us make man in our image?” – Review & Herald, November 29, 1877

“In his exaltation, before he humbled himself to the work of redeeming lost sinners, Christ thought it not robbery to be equal with God, because, in the work of creation and the institution of law to govern created intelligences, he was equal with the Father.  The Father was greater than the Son in that he was first.  The Son was equal with the Father in that he had received all things from the Father.” – Review & Herald, January 4, 1881

Ellen White regarding her husband, James White, Testimonies for the Church Volume 3, p. 502 “He (James White) received a commendation that few others have attained. God has permitted the precious light of truth to shine upon His word and illuminate the mind of my husband. He may reflect the rays of light from the presence of Jesus upon others by his preaching and writing.”

Ellen White about the inspiration and dedication of the Pioneers:

“Many of our people do not realize how firmly the foundation of our faith has been laid. My husband (Elder James White), Elder Joseph Bates, Father Pierce, [Older brethren among the pioneers are here thus reminiscently referred to. “Father Pierce” was Stephen Pierce, who served in ministerial and administrative work in the early days.] Elder [Hiram] Edson, and others who were keen, noble, and true, were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for the truth as for hidden treasure. I met with them, and we studied and prayed earnestly. Often we remained together until late at night, and sometimes through the entire night, praying for light and studying the Word. Again and again these brethren came together to study the Bible, in order that they might know its meaning, and be prepared to teach it with power.             

When they came to the point in their study where they said, “we can do nothing more,’ the Spirit of the Lord would come upon me, I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explanation of the passages we had been studying would be given me, with instruction as to how we were to labor and teach effectively. Thus light was given that helped us to understand the scriptures in regard to Christ, His mission, and His priesthood. A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God, was made plain to me, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given me.” – Ellen White, Early Writings, p. xxii.4